Britain's most famous mother-in-law is still working hard at her role
as daughter. She tells Jackie McGlone of her ongoing campaigns
COME away in, urges Phyllida Law, warmly welcoming you to her West
Hampstead home, a small but beautifully formed flat, where she lives in
blissful, solitary splendour -- a Law unto herself. ''Dump your things
in my bedroom and while you are at it, have a wee look at 'the racy
nun's room','' she says, darting off to prepare coffee and croissants,
and singing merrily at the top of her voice. She is most hospitable --
in true Scots' fashion -- is Mrs Thompson, still slightly bemused and
amused that anyone should wish to talk to her about herself, rather than
her more famous relatives.
For her most immediate relations -- her elder daughter Emma Thompson
and son-in-law Kenneth Branagh -- are rather well-known nowadays.
Indeed, she howls with laughter when you ask whether there is any truth
in the rumour that she is about to change her name to Phyllida
Mother-in-Law.
We had been introduced in Stratford-upon-Avon earlier this year, where
she was visiting her second daughter, the Royal Shakespeare Company
actress, Sophie Thompson. Law told me that her late father, William, had
been a leader-writer on the Glasgow Herald before the war. I determined
then to interview her. She was anyway an actress whose fine work I had
always admired, whether onstage or in film and television. So here we
are sitting in the lovely, sequestered garden she has made, discussing
her wonderfully honest contribution to a new book, A Certain Age*, in
which 17 women reflect on the menopause and in which Law reviews ''from
the vast plateau of middle age'', a decade of chaste independence and
her muddled history of womanhood, childhood, puberty, childbearing and
menopause.
''A joyful time in a woman's life,'' according to Law, who believes a
subterranean energy and power is released as a woman's body ages, but
she adds quickly, ''I was one of the lucky ones. Many women do suffer
terribly.'' (She is trilingual, speaking Scots, English and Italics.)
Born in Glasgow 61 years ago, Law was married to the actor Eric Thompson
(who wrote and narrated BBC TV's The Magic Roundabout, in which
Ermintrude the Cow was based on his wife) for 26 years. They had two
daughters together, Emma and Sophie. He died suddenly in 1982. Law was
50. ''I last had sex 10 years ago,'' she writes in A Certain Age.
''Three days before I was widowed . . . I was 50. I never had the curse
again. My womb simply retired, without further symptoms or
side-effects.'' Losing your sex life is another sort of bereavement, she
believes.
In her essay, Much Thanks, she writes most movingly of widowhood. New
widows are very vulnerable, she says, recalling standing in the queue at
the post office and having to prevent herself from leaning against the
male shoulders in front of her, ''if only to breathe male warmth through
wet tweed''. She suspects anyway that both she and Thompson (''Eric's
such a dreadful name, I always called him Tom or Tommo . . . '') were
terminally monogamous. ''How could I be unfaithful to someone who seemed
only to have gone on an extended tour overseas? Besides, no-one
offered''.
Honest, cross her heart and hope to die, says Law. Not once has she
been propositioned in 10 years. I tell her I don't believe it. She is
immensely attractive, with strong, wise features, clear green eyes, and
a tumble of smokey grey hair pinned on top of her head. What is even
more engaging about her is a giddy sense of humour. The pair of us sat
in her garden for two hours and laughed immoderately at everything under
the sun, from old wives' tales about catching things from lavatory
seats, to the impossible narrowness of the gussets in today's knickers,
and the fact that her daughters have urged her to take a lover. ''From
where? Who?'' she asks plaintively.
A friend came to her bachelor flat the other day, looked at her
bedroom and said: ''This is the bedroom of a racy nun''. Too true, she
thought. But, she insists she has not had an offer: ''I promise you. Not
once in 10 years has a man made a pass at me. In fact, I have told all
my friends I'll put an advert in The Stage the moment I get asked.''
Perhaps she is not giving off the right signals? ''Yes, that is what
the kids say, the radar's got in a tangle. I haven't had the remotest
flicker of interest, not even a leer. I only get whoopsy from little old
men with wooden legs and woolly hats in the street. Hoboes and drunks!
What is it about me? Generally, I look like a bag-lady, mind you. I wear
big, old, men's raincoats and things. I think the trouble is I look like
a nice little woman who would make a good steak pie.''
Or the sort of woman who might know how to toss a pancake and run up a
pair of camiknickers? Further fits of laughter ensue, because earlier in
our conversation she had spoken of her education in Scotland and
Bristol, in the course of which she got involved in a housewifery course
at the Dough School in Glasgow. ''I laughed myself sick!'' she exclaims.
''There was me and 20 others doing this course, making camiknickers on
graph paper and so on, and none of us could believe it! We were very
badly behaved. We were sent to clean the lavatories and wash the
paintwork down with vinegar and water. Seven times! I ask you! It was
all terribly old-fashioned. We used to sit on the loos, howling with
laughter and smoking furiously.''
Law escaped from the horrors of domestic science and entered Bristol
Old Vic theatre school -- despite her maternal grandmother's conviction
that the theatre was the work of the Devil -- where she trained as an
assistant scene painter and wardrobe assistant, and played as cast. She
also designed sets for Western Theatre Ballet (now Scottish Ballet). As
an actress she has played London Old Vic, Glasgow Citz, the National
Theatre, and the West End -- everything from the back-end of a cow to La
Cage aux Folles.
For her son-in-law, she played the gimlet-eyed housekeeper in Peter's
Friends, for which she won ''a two-minute Oscar'' in the Washington
Post. ''The Americans all thought I came with the house, which I thought
a huge compliment. I was thrilled. Perhaps you better not put that in
though, I don't want to sound as if I'm blowing my own trumpet.''
NOWADAYS, her time is divided between London and Scotland, and she
fits in work where she can because her mother, who is in her nineties,
lives in a cottage in Ardentinny and needs her daughter's support
system, which has involved Law in totally reversing her life, so most of
her weeks are spent in Scotland. Recently, though, she commuted between
Tuscany and Argyll, while appearing as Ursula in Branagh's film of
Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing*. To fund this expensive shuttling
twixt England and Scotland, she works when she can and is currently
filming with Hugh Lawrie, playing a blind woman for the first time in
her career in Carlton TV's All or Nothing at All.
Phyllida Law got ''diverted'' into acting. Originally, she planned to
be a doctor because she was convinced from an early age that she was
going to die young and she thought she ought to give the few years at
her disposal to suffering humanity. Was she an excessively morbid child
then? No, melancholic, perhaps; introspective certainly. The chilly word
''menstruation'' had been discovered in a luridly illustrated
encyclopaedia which, combined with wartime posters in public lavatories,
persuaded her that she had VD. Her various symptoms, she decided, were
evidence of having something ''Rude'' and a disease that drove you to
madness and early death.
''Aunt May, whose general merriment made her easier to question than
most, said that the large posters in the street meant Digging for
Victory, but I had collected enough information to know that I had
something shameful,'' says Law, still slightly taken aback at her own
ignorance and innocence. Isabel Hebblethwaite, her friend, confirmed her
diagnosis and said that she had caught it from a loo seat.
Eventually, when she was 17 she confided in her mother that she had
VD. By this time she was at Glasgow University, studying medicine. ''I
was wretched. Misery can be creative, and it became clear to me that I
was in the wrong place.'' When she asked her mother -- by this time her
parents had been divorced for four years -- whether she could give up
medicine, she broke down and told her parent that in any case she would
not live long. It was explained to her that she most certainly did not
have VD. The family doctor diagnosed anaemia and prescribed a course of
iron pills.
Today, Phyllida Law looks at her own two darling daughters who have
turned out to be ''rather nice people'' -- founder members of the West
Hampstead Women's Support Group -- and is amazed and thrilled that that
they have so much more confidence than she had. ''Mine was stunted by
being an evacuee. At seven years old I was sent to Lenzie to live with a
family that wasn't mine and found myself unwanted. I was a nuisance who
caught fleas, didn't know who Adam and Eve were, and who had her hat
elastic snapped to make her eyes water. I know I am a damaged
creature.'' Damaged, she says, in precisely the way that many men are
who were sent away at a tender age and brought up entirely among their
own sex.
But how badly damaged? Well, she replies: ''You see, I was tortured as
a child because I was an evacuee, which caused terrible damage. As a
result I think I probably became sly and anxious to please, which is not
a terribly attractive trait, is it? Then I was packed off to an English
boarding school in Bristol when I was 13, still 'suffering from VD'. Ha!
Ha! Ha! But I do think I'm not a very courageous woman because of being
damaged when young. I'm not anarchic enough. I am still desperately
seeking self-confidence because I think I had that fairly well hammered
out of me by being Scottish, not having a father, and having an older
brother who teased me absolutely to death, but whom I worshipped. I am
not sure brothers are good for you, you know. I often think he didn't
help me at all, because I have been trying to have self-confidence ever
since.''
The other day, Phyllida Law heard a woman on the radio saying, ''We
need more grannies on the streets''. We also need them onstage,
maintains Law. ''We must exit disgracefully . . . I refuse to be
marginalised and remaindered because I neither menstruate nor f***.''
* A Certain Age (Virago, #7.99). Much Ado About Nothing goes on
general release next month.
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